23 Feb. 1946 Movement in Germany. A. Apart from his writings it is my belief and recollection that he had nothing to do with this movement. Q. What about his connection with the German plan of colonization? Do you know what his ideas were in that regard? A. What his connection was or what his ideas were I do not know. however, the head man of the German Colony Association or Bund was a General von Raicha??, 4 Reichstatthalter, whose name I do not recall at the moment, and Haushofer was employed by him in the colony Association, so that he probably had some influence upon German colonial ideas. Q. General, you say you met Karl Haushofer in 1922. Will you tell us how well you had come to know him and how close your association with him had become over the years? A. I do not think that I have met him more than three or four times since I returned to Germany this time, and before that also I did not have occasion to meet him often. On none of these occasions did we speak about any geopolitical matters, and it was simply that he was a friend of Japan and as such I invited him to lunch or dinner and called on him if I happened to be in Munich. Q. There is one thing, General, that I observe in looking at some of the writings of Karl Haushofer and in what you have said to me regarding state-controlled economy, and that is this, that both of you, that is, Karl Haushofer and you, each point out the fact that in order to have state-controlled economy, from your point of view it is necessary that you have proper statistical information, and I am wondering how it is that each of you have that same view. A. My ideas on controlled economy are strictly my own and a good deal of these ideas rose out of my conversation with my brother in law, SASAKI, Yoshihiko, who was a Japanese industrialist. From my observations in Germany and from these talks with him I reached my own conclusions that excellent statistics would be necessary. Q. The thing that appears strange to me is that Karl Haushofer seemed to think the same thing and I am wondering if you have ever talked to him about that or listened to any lectures by him or read any of his writings on the same subject. A. I have never read any of his writings on this subject or listened to his lectures or had conversations with him. I believe, however, that the idea of excellent statistics is basic in a controlled economy, and unless you have excellent statistics, it follows that it is impossible to have a well working controlled economy. Q. Have you ever seen a book that he wrote in 1941, entitled “Japan Abut Zein Reich”? A. I believe I have received the book, but I have never read it. Q. Do you know either of these two men: Kikuchi, Takeo, or Kamimura, Ryesuke? A. Yes, I know them. Q. Who are they? A. Kikuchi was either a Lieutenant or Major General, and I believe he probably met Haushofer in 4 The correct name of this person was is not clear. It appears OSHIMA could not remember it for sure and there is a blank in the text. However, there is a faint outline of either what I have here or Reicha who was a Czech composer of the early 1800’s. 135