5 March 1946 A. The Japanese Military had previously been using White Russians in Warsaw to gather Russian intelligence and following the signing of the Anti-Comintern Pact the Russian Section of the General Staff in Tokyo thought that it would be a good idea to further the exchange of information in regard to the Soviet Union. I received orders from the General Staff to approach the Germans and did so. Actual exchange of information was handled by Lt. Col. Usui of my staff. Q. You were then Military Attache, were you? A. Yes. Q. Who was the head of the Russian division of the General Staff? A. I think it was Col. Kasahara, Tatee - I am not too sure about that first name. Q. After you received instructions to approach the Germans relative to this, whom did you speak to? A. Keitel, at that time Lieutenant General. Q. Then, if I understand you correctly, the negotiations from then on were handled by Colonel Usui of your staff? A. Yes. Q. After the negotiations had been concluded and this agreement had been reached, what type of organization was set up to handle these activities? A. There were many White Russians around Berlin at the time who were willing to sell information and it was simply decided to give them money and procure this information. We were using a Russian from the Caucasus by the name of Bamard (?) as one of the main sources of information. Q. I take it then that these activities were conducted out of your office in Berlin? A. Yes, except that Usui because he was doing work of this sort, while under me, operated indepen- dently. Q. He operated under your supervision, did he not? A. Yes. However, his job was to gather intelligence only and to communicate with the Russian Division of General Staff. Q. These communications would also go through you as the Military Attache? A. They would go through my office. Q. You indicated in your statement the other day that it was decided to intensify the use of these White Russians who had already been used quite a bit. What did you mean by that? A. We decided to do away with many of the suspicious ones that we had been using up to that time and to pick out only the best and make full use of them. Q. In addition to these White Russians, did you use Japanese Agents and German Agents in an effort to obtain intelligence about the Russian Military? A. No. Q. Can you tell us what type of things these White Russians were directed to do? How they did their work? A. Usui working with the Germans and using the White Russians attempted to get intelligence about 177