21 Feb. 1946 A. I do not recall the exact organization. You had better see the Foreign Office about that; however, actually the Commission had very little to do. I recall that there was another section an overall division dealing mainly in political matters. The head of this was originally Kase. (The name is exactly the same and is written in the same manner as the other Kase who came up in the record the other day. However, the other Kase was at one time Minister to Switzerland.) Later a counselor named Kawahara took over. While the organization was set up in this manner, actually its activity was nil. Q. Now, I assume that the names you have given to us are the names of the Japanese members of the Commission and that there must also have been some German members and also some Italian members. Am I correct? A. Yes. Q. Article 4 of the Tripartite Pact provides that “with a view to implementing the present pact joint technical commissions, the members of which are to be appointed by the respective Governments of Japan, Germany and Italy, shall meet without delay.” Now, I assume that the names that you have given us are the names of the Japanese Commission. A. While I recall the wording to be Mixed Commission, this that you have given me is probably more correct. In any case, as there was no other Commission the names that I just gave you are the names of the members of the Commission. Q. And this Commission was established in Berlin? Is that correct? A. The one I just told you about was set up in Berlin. There were Commissions in Rome and Tokyo also. Q. Who were the Japanese members of the Commission that was set up in Rome? A. The chief of the Commission was Ambassador KORIKIRI; the head of the overall division was counselor ANDO, I believe, although I am not sure of this. The Military Commission members were Rear Admiral Abe and Major General Shimizu. I do not remember who the member of the Economic Commission was. Q. Do you know when this commission in Berlin was set up and when this commission in Rome was set up? A. Both around April 1941, I think. Q. Now, you had another commission in Tokyo. Do you know who was on that commission? A. The Foreign Minister was Chief of the commission and members of the Foreign Office made up the ranks of the general or overall division. Members of the Military commission were drawn from the War and Navy Departments, and the Army and Navy General Staffs, but who they were I do not know. Q. Now, would the commission in Berlin meet with a comparable commission that was established by the Germans? A. The set-up was that a commission of Germans, Italians, and Japanese would meet. Q. The commission that you have just referred to made up of Germans, Italians and Japanese then was a joint commission. Am I correct? 127