21 Feb. 1946 A. No, definitely not. The Japanese Army would not allow that in the first place. Q. You have told us that this was a secret map prepared by your General Staff. Why would you turn such a map over to the head of another Government? A. Naturally, that depends upon the degree of security. It was not of such extreme secrecy that I was not permitted on my responsibility to show it to the head of a foreign government. Q. Now, Hitler sent for you and he told you to bring this map, which you told us was a secret one showing the fortifications, gun emplacements - a map disclosing such information as you then had regarding the Military precautions that had been taken by another Government at Singapore. You arrived at the meeting with the map. Now, tell us what happened, what you said and what Hitler said. A. There were absolutely no commitments made on my part regarding attacking Singapore. Naturally, he asked me what I thought of the terrain and I said that I felt that it was an extremely difficult military operation. Q. Was Ribbentrop at that meeting? A. Yes. (comment to Interpreter: You have said to me that you feel that I am telling you a certain amount and hiding the rest, but after having met with you over ten times, while I understand that it is difficult for you to realize this, as I have been classed a war criminal - I would like to have you understand that I am telling you all that I know, and not only a portion. ) Q. My questions even this afternoon to you have indicated that I personally have felt that you have not been making a full disclosure and the Interpreter had made that fact known to you because I have repeated such in my questions, and I am still not certain that you are making a full disclosure even now. A. I have told you all that I know. Of course, I shall leave that up to you to question me. Q Now, General, at the time of this meeting with Hitler and Ribbentrop about which we have been talking all the afternoon Japan was not in the war, and I am wondering what justification existed for or why you felt free to make available to Germany a map of Singapore and discuss with Hitler and Ribbentrop the problems presented by an attack upon Singapore. A. As long as I made no promises to the effect that Japan would attack Singapore I feel that I was justified in showing them the map under the agreements made at the time of the Tripartite Pact. Q. Tell us the names of the members of the commission that was formed pursuant to the provisions of the Tripartite Pact. A. I was the head of the Commission. Vice Admiral Nomura as the senior military member was head of the Military Commission. With him was Lt. Gen. Banzai. The Economic Commissioner was Minister Matsushima. Of course, there were other lesser members, but these were the principal men. Q. What do you mean by lesser members? A. They were aides. Q. Now, do I understand that there were two sections or two divisions to the Commission, one the Military and one the Economic? 126