5 March 1946 to note that some of the subject matter that I have read to you as appearing in this document relates to matters that you have told me about as I have questioned you. Now here is one more matter. I asked you about this Japanese officer that had been sent to Afghanistan and who was later expelled from that country. You have told us about that and you have told us about it substantially as it appears in this memorandum signed by Himmler. Now, I am going to read you what Himmler says: “We then discussed the Mohammedan Movement. He told me that a Japanese officer had worked in Afghanistan, but that he had been expelled later because of suspicion that he had attempted to overthrow the Afghanistan Government - I told him that I had a police officer there and that the two could very well collaborate once he again had someone there.” A part of what I have just read to you, you have told me about. Do you remember talking about this with Himmler? A. I still have no recollection of the meeting. It is strange because this was after I became Ambassador and had no connection with such matters. Q. In your use of these White Russians, many of whom I suppose you sent across the frontier to Russia, were any of them killed by any chance? A. I do not know. Q. Didn’t you ever hear anything about some of them being killed? A. I never heard about it. Q. According to this record of the meeting between Himmler and you, you told him, that is to say, you told Himmler, that a number of Russians whom you had sent across the border had been shot at the frontier. A. I have heard about sending Russians, from Usui, but I have no recollection of his having said that any of them were killed. This document that you say you have is very strange to me. Did you procure it from German sources? Q. The document is authentic. There is no question about it. I want to make this further observation: according to these statements of Himmler as recorded in this document, you, not Usui, sent these Russians across this frontier. A. It may be written that way there, but I actually had nothing to do with it myself. Further, the date of this document, January 31, 1939, is some three months after I became Ambassador and I would have no connection with the matters that you are now bringing up. Q. I cannot help but observe that you frequently use that means of avoiding responsibility. I also know and I am sure you know, that there have been Ambassadors in other posts than Berlin who, in other wars, have been the directing powers with respect to spy and espionage activities. Now, in fairness to yourself, I am trying to give you a chance to make a full disclosure of everything, because in my opinion it is to your advantage, you should not seek to avoid responsibility, merely because you held the post of Ambassador. In time of war, when activities of this sort are being practiced, certainly it is not beyond the realm of probability that even an Ambassador might be directing it. Now, one further question, according to this statement signed by Himmler, you stated to him on that occasion that you had succeeded up to January 31, 1939, in sending ten Russians with bombs across the Caucasian frontier. Now, do you know anything about those ten Russians with bombs that were sent across the Caucasian frontier? 3 3 The Ribbentrop-Molotov Non-Aggression Pact was signed on 23 August 1939. 181