5 March 1946 Q. Did you discuss with Himmler the proposed Tripartite Pact at any time? A. I might have spoken to him in the course of a conversation, but certainly not officially, as such matters would be completely outside the ken of his responsibility. Q. General, again I must remind you that it is my observation that through your unofficial conver- sations you have demonstrated great ability to accomplish much for your Government. Now, I don’t care whether this was official or unofficial. I do want to know if you had conversation with Himmler in any capacity relative to this proposed Tripartite Pact. A. Had it been an official discussion I am sure I would remember it, but as it is a case where I do not even recall the date, I might have talked with him about the Three Power Pact in the course of our conversation, but that is all. Q. Now, if I understand you correctly, you have stated to us today that you did not discuss with Himmler anything regarding these intelligence activities in Russia? A. I have no recollection of having had any such discussions. Q. Now, maybe this will help you remember. In this same meeting, according to the record of the same meeting I have in my possession, you told Himmler confidentially that you had bought a piece of real estate in Falkensee under the name of a middleman. You have told us the same thing today. Now, how would Himmler know that unless you told him? A. I still have no recollection of the meeting. If Himmler knew about the Falkensee place he must have gotten the information from his assistants, as it would be impossible to purchase such a place and use it for the purpose it was used for, unless the Gestapo had been notified about it. Q. Well, I have the record of Himmler’s report of this conversation, wherein he states that you told him this confidentially. In addition to that, General, Himmler says that at this same meeting you told him that six Russians were employed at this place in Falkensee and that they were writing and printing leaflets, just as you have told us today. You did not tell us how many Russians, but you have told us they were engaged in writing and printing leaflets, and Himmler says you told him that these leaflets were flown into Russia from Poland in small balloons when the wind was favorable; and he also says that you had reports and proofs from Russia that these leaflets had arrived in Russia in good condition and they were obviously being passed around among the people very diligently. Now, most of that is substantially what you have told us today. Himmler has signed a report of his conference with you dated January 31, 1939, in which you told these things to him. Are you trying to tell us today you don’t remember this conference? A. I have no recollection of the meeting. If there had been such a meeting it is definitely something I have completely forgotten about. Q. General, did you ever have a motor boat? A. No. Q. Himmler says in this report that you told him that you had bought a motor boat in order to take these leaflets from Romania to Crimea by way of the Black Sea. A. As Ambassador in 1939, I would have no connection with matters of this sort. It is very strange that Himmler should write up a thing if he did. Q. General, there can be no doubt about the authenticity of this document that I have. It is interesting 180